Monday, June 13, 2005

Something I picked up ....

...from Islamicity. Check out what some US soldiers had to contribute...

Pvte. Williams posted :
"As a US Marine living, fighting in Iraq I wake up each day knowing that we are hated and despised by the people we occupy, and I don't blame them. The word "Terrorism" used so loosely and freely by our media to describe retaliation against our uninvited presence in their country, be it Iraq or Afghanistan, is pretty ridiculous when considering that a violent reactionary movement would be only natural and obviously expected. Has our media ever branded Jewish underground resistance to the British occupation of the then Palestinian territories as terrorism? Or have they ever labelled Moshe Dyan who was directly involved in bombing, murdering and torturing British citizens then as a terrorist? Why bother going that far back in history, Ariel Sharon was implicated by Israel's own courts as being directly and criminally responsible for the slaughter of Palestinian refugees; women, children and old men in the camps of Arba and Shattila. Yet our media and this creature we call our "President", meet Sharon with respect that should be only reserved for a NON-Criminal. Worst from what I have seen with my own eyes repeated many times is the behavior of our troops in Iraq. I have seen our guys take off wrist watches and rings off the dead and living, made no difference whether they were insurgents or innocent civilians. In one of the most recent campaigns near the Syrian border, I saw our guys barging into homes only with the intent to steal. In most cases we busted down doors of homes that looked like there were rich people living there. We stole between 6 to 8 million in assorted currency. Besides money we even ripped off jewelry that were family heirlooms. In one case we took money and wedding jewelry off this family whose daughter had just been married and when her husband and father protested we slapped them around in front of the family. The definition of terrorism simply does not apply to the actions of those fighting us, but it does apply to us - to us Americans."

"Duke" posted :
"I am returning to Iraq next week and the thought of it makes me sick to my stomach. I can fully understand what Williams is saying because I have lived through this crap for 16 months. These guys are fighting back. Hell I would too if I were them. Besides the constant fear of being bombed or shot at, what makes my stomach turn the most is the look of absolute hate I get from common Iraqis. A Brit told me its because we hassle them the way we do. I agree but I think its more than that. Many Iraqis initially were thrilled because we got rid of Saddam who with his sons was feared and hated. But I have people now tell me on my face to bring Saddam back. They say at least then they had running water, electricity, food and jobs. Now all they see morning are burnt corpses and blown up cars each day. I was on a raid on a house where my buddies roughed up this old guy pretty good, stole his money, bust his tv, trashed his whole house looking for more money and valuables - turns out the guy was a Dr Mohsen Abdul Hamid, some political big shot and member of the Iraqi govt. Kinda embarassing but hey just as our captain promised we did not get into any trouble. To sum it up I don't know why we are there but to rob the people of their personal posessions and oil. Hey if some guys came over to my farm in Ohio with guns blazing, hey I can guarantee you me, my brothers and my pa would not roll over. And here were have invaded an entire country for no damn reason. If I don't come back this time, I want people to know that I had some honesty and I want to say this. Our reason for being there is totally bogus. I am surprised there is not a soul in our Congress who has even talked about impeaching Bush for sending us here to die on a lie. There is a whole lot more GIs killed than we report. There are also many innocent civilians we kill each day that we don't report. Most of the guys getting killed are blacks and latinos. I am no longer proud - I hate it and this is just a damn job."

Fbarton posted :
Our two guys are totally right. I am back home for 2 weeks and already I am having an anxiety attack over going back. I never joind up for this. I just wanted to get my education and maybe travel a bit before settling down to a regular job. I never meant to be dragged out to to some desert and wipe out innocent men, women and children for no friggin reason but oil. It is pretty bad what I have seen and witnessed but what is worse than that is that we are under threat not to reveal the truth of what goes on daily in Iraq and what we have done there and in Afghanistan. Our officers told us that all Muslims were terrorists and if we don't kill them all they will come back and kill our families. what made me sick was that even the clergy assigned to our unit was giving us the pep talk to go out there and kill. I thought then hey what happened to Christ? What about love for all mankind etc..all bull. I have no faith or respect for this guy who pretends to be our president, or any of the senators or the congress, or our governor or the church or our media. If I could say one thing to any felow Americans reading this, you got made April fool in a big way. Go out there and organize and throw the real terrorists out of the oval office and the senate and congress. If they don't leave drag them out kicking and screaming. And one more thing, take your TV sets and radios and dump them in the garbage and stop wasting your money on our newspapers. we don't have an independent media and if you think you do, you would be pretty stupid. we have been sent here by suits who are in the pockets of oil companies and Israel. All this has nothing to do with democracy or with fighting terrorism. Thats all a big load of crap. It is oil and security for Israel that we are here. Nothing else. Israel is not going to get me no job and Israel and jews won't give a damn if a thousand of us bite the dust and neither does our government. And I'll be damned if I am ready to die for either.

Saturday, June 04, 2005

The Facts they hate

On the "Hussein = mass murdering monster" rhetoric only; the "WMD", "ties to 911", and "ties to al Qaeda" have been thoroughly debunked by everyone on the planet already (except for the die-hard rightwing idiots) and have been well-documented as being known by most the world before bush's attack on Iraq.

-Who's killed the most Kurds?

The Kurds.
More Kurds have killed Kurds than the number killed by Turkey, Iran, and Hussein combined, during their 3 decades long "fratricide" war.
http://home.cogeco.ca/~kurdistan3/2-6-04-opinion-zorab-...

-Who made a surprise appearance in 1991 on Baghdad TV to hug and kiss Saddam Hussein?

Kurdish warlord and current Iraqi president Talabani. And this was long after the "gassed his own people", after Gulf War 1, after the uprisings in Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_corr...

-Who danced & cheered in celebrations after Talabani hugged & kissed Saddam Hussein in 1991?

The Kurds.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_corr...

-Who asked Hussein for help in 1996 to fight against Kurdish warlord Talabani and his Kurds?

Kurd and warlord Barzani.
http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2005/4/indepen...

-During the Iran-Iraq war, Halabjah was attacked with blood agent gas; how many Kurd deaths were originally reported until the number was increased several years later right before Desert Storm?

"several hundred".

http://againstbombing.org/chemical.htm

http://www.mediamonitors.net/robinmiller10.html ***excellent***

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0788162098/mmn-2...

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/kurdish/htdocs/his/Khaledtex...

The CIA's website still lists "hundreds", not thousands or tens of thousands, and as being "caught in cross-fire between Iranians and Iraqi forces". We call that "collateral damage".
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.h...

-When doctors sent by France, the United Nations and the Red Cross examined gassed Kurdish refugees in Turkey, what symptoms did the doctors say were exhibited?

Non-lethal tear gas.
http://www.polyconomics.com/showarticle.asp?articleid=1...

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/kurdish/htdocs/his/Khaledtex...

-What city presented Hussein with the Key to the City in 1979?

Detroit, USA.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/26/iraq/main5462...

-What nation won Humanitarian Awards for its literacy programs?

Iraq. Under Hussein's government.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regi... /

-What nation had the highest number of citizens with PhDs on the world? And had more PhDs than America?

Iraq. Under Hussein's government.
http://www.bronxmall.com/norwoodnews/past/013003/opinio...

-Which nation was using much its burgeoning oil revenue to improve the daily lives of its people?

Iraq. Under Hussein's government.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regi... /

-What did the rebels do in their 1991 uprising?

Slaughtered thousands of Iraqis.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1992/WR92/MEW1-02.htm

-What did the Hussein government do about the rebel uprising?

Slaughtered thousands of Iraqis.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1992/WR92/MEW1-02.htm

-Where did the figure of "300,000" originate as the number of Iraqis "killed by Hussein"?

The figure (originally 200,000-250,000 over 30 years) was an estimate of an estimate of a "general international concensus" the HRW used as an estimate for the number of Iraqis unaccounted for, ‘many of whom are believed to have been killed’— and not for the number buried in mass graves.

Hania Mufti, one of the researchers that produced that estimate, said: 'Our estimates were based on estimates. The eventual figure was based in part on circumstantial information gathered over the years.'
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,12...

HRW itself refuses to use its figure of 290,000 as an estimate for the number of bodies in mass graves.

To date, aproximately 5000 remains have been found, dating from the 1991 rebel uprisings.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,12...

-Who "mass-graved" thousands of Iraqis by bulldozing over them?

US forces in 1991.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=45

-What nation defended this atrocity by saying a gap in international law allowed for burying Iraqis alive?

The USA.
http://jeff.paterson.net/aw/aw4_buried_alive.htm

-Saddam Hussein and his "woodchipper people-shredder"?

Long-time Iraq war supporter Ann Clwyd came up with this sequel to the "incubator babies" lie. Clwyd said; "We heard it from a victim; we heard it and we believed it."

One unidentified, unverified source; one person. That's her entire "proof".

Clwyd insists that corroboration of the shredder story came when she was shown a dossier by a reporter from Fox TV. On June 18, Clwyd wrote a second article for the Times, citing a "record book" from Abu Ghraib, which described one of the methods of execution as "mincing".

-Can she say who compiled this book?
"No, I can't."

-Where is it now?
"I don't know."

-What was the name of the Fox reporter who showed it to her?
"I have no idea."

-Did Clwyd read the entire thing?
"No, it was in Arabic! I only saw it briefly."

Curiously, there is no mention of the book or of "mincing" as a method of execution on the Fox News website, nor does its foreign editor recall it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/analysis/story/0,3604,1155399...

-What actual claims of human rights violations were made against Hussein's government in 2002?

-death penalty
-long (2 years) detentions without trials
-"some apparently tortured first"
-arbitrary arrests
-forced expulsion of Kurds from Kirkuk

http://hrw.org/wr2k2/mena4.html

-Who said attacking Iraq cannot be justified as a "humanitarian intervention"?

Human Rights Watch
http://hrw.org/wr2k4/3.htm

Amnesty International
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE140092002?op...

-What kind of torture did Hussein's son Odai perpetrate on Iraq's soccer team that war supporters often point to as justification for attacking Iraq?

Torture such as electric cables being attached to their bodies. (Oops, sorry, that's just frat-house party games.)

A missed penalty or other poor play entailed a ritual head shaving at the Stadium of the People, or being spat on by Uday's bodyguards.

Some players endured long periods in a military prison, beaten on their backs with electric cables until blood flowed.

Other punishments included "matches" kicking concrete balls around the prison yard in 130-degree heat, and 12-hour sessions of push-ups, sprints and other fitness drills, wearing heavy military fatigues and boots.

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:puQH7yiyeg8J:www.i...

Maad Ibrahim Hameed, the assistant coach of the national team, said Odai had offered money as a bonus for winning and threatened prison for losing. "But it was only talk," he said. "They weren't tortured. Some were sentenced to jail if they didn't behave responsibly. But they all came back to play."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/0...

-How do the Iraq soccer team members feel now about bush's invasion?

Iraqi Olympic Soccer Teams Gives Bush the Boot
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0820-11.htm

"Bleeding-heart liberals" would have a hard time making a case for invading a nation and "shock & awe" bombing the crap out of them, let alone "tough" republicans.

Maybe that's why the vast majority of Americans DID say there's no "humanitarian" justification for attacking Iraq;

--Only 27 percent of respondents said they think that countries have the right, without UN approval, to overthrow another government that is committing "substantial violations of its citizens' human rights," although another 41 percent said that intervention could be justified if the violations were "large-scale, extreme and equivalent to genocide."

--In the case of Iraq, however, only 32 percent of respondents believed both that human rights abuses equivalent to genocide justified intervention and that such extreme violations were occurring under Hussein's rule. Asked, "Do you think that there are other governments existing today that have human rights records as bad as that of Iraq under Saddam Hussein?" an overwhelming 88 percent said there are.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1114-06.htm

Now that the crap had hit the fan on bush's "WMD" and "Iraq in bed with al Qaeda" lies and his "Iraq did 911" insinuations, and about to hit the fan on his lies proven by the Downing Street official minutes, the "Murdering Butcher of Baghdad" bs is bound to appear all over the "librul" media.

And like the "WMD, "ties to al Qaeda" and "ties to 911", it's bs. Uzbekistan, anyone ?